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that, if that happens, is there anyone who plausibly believe that iraq has 2004 award we still be in afghanistan and? >> that's what i said, i think this is a debate that we can actually have because i think you can make and argue for it. at the same time, i -- it is a kind of academic question. i just don't think it's going to happen. >> your great grandfather would say we have to have these academic questions. don't go playing fdr on me. >> a damn sight better,úg c something. yeah, you know, i think that one of the things to remember about these brothers and one the reasons why g i think looking at their stores is really valuable is they were really working out how to answer some of these questions, and there was an urgency because there were new0ñ questions. they felt them. and these are questions that we just don't feel. you know, the kind of tension between your responsibilities as individuals, your responsibilit as a citizen, ethics versus morality. these all sound academic terms, but when he came down to it it's like are you going to die for your country? are you going to -- choose a@
that, if that happens, is there anyone who plausibly believe that iraq has 2004 award we still be in afghanistan and? >> that's what i said, i think this is a debate that we can actually have because i think you can make and argue for it. at the same time, i -- it is a kind of academic question. i just don't think it's going to happen. >> your great grandfather would say we have to have these academic questions. don't go playing fdr on me. >> a damn sight better,úg c...
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he wasn't talking about the dead in iraq or afghanistan there are two reasons for that. because then vietnam's there were 300 dead very few daughters were the sons of people all around the country because there was a draft and that made a huge difference. >> dma the good point* about the changes of media over that period of time because i remember recently watching wonder two years ago this my a co-author brought some videos back when he was on the cbs news and i was struck by the amount of very serious discussion of issues going on in the sound bites going on for longer and people were allowed to speak for longer and they were much more in depth and it really struck me because as a child was watching this put the amazing change of the focus. >> we have time for two more questions. >> you have mentioned it was such a remarkable difference the way those presidents responded which mrs. suni was sent to their political party but it was there a suggestion that when president medicated with what happened on the previous presidents response? >> yes. each one learns from the ot
he wasn't talking about the dead in iraq or afghanistan there are two reasons for that. because then vietnam's there were 300 dead very few daughters were the sons of people all around the country because there was a draft and that made a huge difference. >> dma the good point* about the changes of media over that period of time because i remember recently watching wonder two years ago this my a co-author brought some videos back when he was on the cbs news and i was struck by the amount...
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he fought in iraq and afghanistan, just got out last february. handsome jerry berry, the chopper pilot, still handsome. these are the boys on the roof. burn battles. anything they could not burn, they put in the burn barrels and the chemicals burned it. who is that, steve? is that you? [laughter] that's steve. he's counting that cash he stole. [laughter] iconic photo. everything -- 18 hours before -- yes, ma'am? >> especially from the story that you're telling now, but how well do you think that our president nixon, gerald ford, and then johnson, how well do you think they knew what was going on in >> i think they knew very well. >> you do? you think their information was accurate? >> oh, yeah. they admitted this was a civil war we shouldn't have ever got involved in. the dichotomy of the book, people asked me how can we put the word "heroic" in the book about the vietnam war. i'm not writing about the vietnam war. that's been written about by smarter people than me. i'm writing about a heroic evacuation, a 36-hour period where kids like steve, o
he fought in iraq and afghanistan, just got out last february. handsome jerry berry, the chopper pilot, still handsome. these are the boys on the roof. burn battles. anything they could not burn, they put in the burn barrels and the chemicals burned it. who is that, steve? is that you? [laughter] that's steve. he's counting that cash he stole. [laughter] iconic photo. everything -- 18 hours before -- yes, ma'am? >> especially from the story that you're telling now, but how well do you...
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a very forthright statement but one that does go against the grain, and i would ask you to forget afghanistan today and assess whether you think that approach of the enemy fighters is going to lead to something that can be called a military solution. >> guest: yes i do but i'm not saying the military solution is the only sort of resolution that matters. there has to be that a military solution. there has to be the position of the mind in the enemy you're going to get killed if you go up against the americans. there was something of this in iraq in the awakening to the rest of the country the idea this is a tribal battle but they turn out to be. i think it is now being impress upon the various elements of the taliban and others. but of course in the conflict of building, helping, developing projects going on designed to do one big strategic thing wherever you look in the middle east and that is to shore up the strength and responsiveness of the state's wherever we look whether it's iraq or afghanistan to prevent pakistan from continuing to fail, the idea of the two-stage solution for israel an
a very forthright statement but one that does go against the grain, and i would ask you to forget afghanistan today and assess whether you think that approach of the enemy fighters is going to lead to something that can be called a military solution. >> guest: yes i do but i'm not saying the military solution is the only sort of resolution that matters. there has to be that a military solution. there has to be the position of the mind in the enemy you're going to get killed if you go up...
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one of the things that we have gotten accustomed to in this country in recent years -- vietnam, iraq, afghanistan -- is that they are fought mostly by the poor. there are very, very few among the dead and wounded in the those three wars who have been sons or daughters of ceos, senators, members of congress, anything like that. it was the exact opposite in the first world war. the death toll actually fell proportionately higher on the upper classes. and the main reason for that was that it was customary for sons of the upper classes, sons of the air strock rah si to have military careers. and i think a major reason for this is that armies are not only there to fight wars against other countries, they're there to maintain order at home. the 19th century was a very tumultuous time in europe, so was the early 20th century. many of the european armies were used to break strikes or the british army, you know, put down tenant farmer rebellions in ireland. and so, therefore, officering the army was something that was generally reserved for people in the upper classes. this meant that when these countries
one of the things that we have gotten accustomed to in this country in recent years -- vietnam, iraq, afghanistan -- is that they are fought mostly by the poor. there are very, very few among the dead and wounded in the those three wars who have been sons or daughters of ceos, senators, members of congress, anything like that. it was the exact opposite in the first world war. the death toll actually fell proportionately higher on the upper classes. and the main reason for that was that it was...
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is their anyone who plausibly believes we would have been in iraq past 2,004 or we would still be in afghanistan >> that's what i just said. this is a debate we can actually have because i think it's, you know, you can make an argument, at the same time i -- it's the kind of academic question. i don't feel it's going to happen. >> but your great-grandfather would say we have to have these. islamic academic arguments, g maybe. >> don't go pleading fdr on me. >> yeah, you know, one of the things to remember about the brothers and looking at the story is valuable is they were really working out how to answer some of these questions and there was an urgency because the new questions and they felt them and these are questions we just don't feel the kind of tension between the responsibilities of individual, responsibility as a citizen, efiks versus morality, the sound academic terms but@ when it came down to it's like are you going to die for your country, are you going to change society in such a way that it's not as equal or unjust we have huge structural problems in thiñ country. our property ri
is their anyone who plausibly believes we would have been in iraq past 2,004 or we would still be in afghanistan >> that's what i just said. this is a debate we can actually have because i think it's, you know, you can make an argument, at the same time i -- it's the kind of academic question. i don't feel it's going to happen. >> but your great-grandfather would say we have to have these. islamic academic arguments, g maybe. >> don't go pleading fdr on me. >> yeah, you...
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medicaid and there's no more soviet union, and we're fighting wars, $3-$4 # billion a week in iraq and afghanistan. >> i speak out against the size of the u.s. military budget. we're spenting like 17 times as much as russia and china, and i think it's crazy. we have troops in 65 countries and bases all over the world. what do you think we are, the british empire 200 years ago? i mean, we don't make money off of that, and then they do better without us there. the last war we won was against japan. [applause] >> i'm it is true, you did speak out on it, but a lot of corporate executives, even when they are retired, not just corporate exec ties, but not one in the last election, i can't remember one other than from ohio -- >> that's your home state. >> i like him. the names are hard to pronounce. [laughter] but i think he was the one who spoke out against the size of the military budget. nobody spoke out against it. it's to the military industrial complex like eisenhower warned years ago has taken over the country basically. >> not just the military budget. you got retired, very wealthy business peopl
medicaid and there's no more soviet union, and we're fighting wars, $3-$4 # billion a week in iraq and afghanistan. >> i speak out against the size of the u.s. military budget. we're spenting like 17 times as much as russia and china, and i think it's crazy. we have troops in 65 countries and bases all over the world. what do you think we are, the british empire 200 years ago? i mean, we don't make money off of that, and then they do better without us there. the last war we won was...
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militarily, all that here if that happens, is there anyone who possibly please that would we still be in afghanistan? >> i think this is a debate we can actually have because i think you can make an argument for a. at the same time, it is a kind of academic question.sçç >> your great grandfather would say we have to have these mechanisms. >> we do. >> don't go playing fdr army. >> -- fdr on me. >> i think that one of the g things to remember about these brothers and one of the reasonsg why i think looking at this m story is really valuable, they were really working out how to answer some of these questions. there was an urgency because they were new questions.@n they felt them. these are questions that we just don't feel. n you know, the kind of tension between your responsibilities as individuals, your responsibility as a citizen, ethics versus morality. these are all sound academic terms.a when he came down to it is likely going to die for your country? are you going -- is not as unequal.@n we had a huge structural problem in the country.@ i think our poverty rate among children was around
militarily, all that here if that happens, is there anyone who possibly please that would we still be in afghanistan? >> i think this is a debate we can actually have because i think you can make an argument for a. at the same time, it is a kind of academic question.sçç >> your great grandfather would say we have to have these mechanisms. >> we do. >> don't go playing fdr army. >> -- fdr on me. >> i think that one of the g things to remember about these...
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one of the things about the war's we have got accustomed to with vietnam, iraq, afghanistan is they are fraught mostly and there are very few among fed dead and wounded who were sensa and daughters of ceos, senators, members of congress or anything like that. it was the exact opposite and avert -- first world war the death toll fell proportionally higher on the upper class. the main reason for that was it was customary four sons of the upper class and aristocracy to have military careers. one major reason for this is that armies are not only there to fight wars against other countries but to maintain order at home. the 19th century was a tumultuous time in europe so was yearly 20th century and european armies were used to break strikes with the british army put down rebellions in ireland and so therefore the officer was generally reserved for those of the upper class is meeting when the country's went to war in 1914 come in the upper class is suffer the enormous toll. for example,, for the 30 graduates of the 10 killed in a single day, the first day of the battle in 1916 come the men wh
one of the things about the war's we have got accustomed to with vietnam, iraq, afghanistan is they are fraught mostly and there are very few among fed dead and wounded who were sensa and daughters of ceos, senators, members of congress or anything like that. it was the exact opposite and avert -- first world war the death toll fell proportionally higher on the upper class. the main reason for that was it was customary four sons of the upper class and aristocracy to have military careers. one...
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you had "rambo" in afghanistan, you have a war in the afghanistan and a lot of the way we describe it is about the rambos in afghanistan. obviously, gordon gekko becomes bernie madoff and all the ripoff artist on wall street. the evil guy from "tron," i'm only have joke here, kind of is mark zuckerberg. [laughter] the a-team, the idea of the private contractor you have to hire to fix your problems for you is kind of, in some ways, blackwater or at least our reliance on private contractors and how we think about private contractors. and the evil guy, cobra, in "g.i. joe," was a very clear allusion to islamic fundamentalist terrorism. what i argue in the book is that these images, these stories became powerful in the 1990 and -- 1980s and enduring because of certain structural changes that were happening in our economy. and i told nathan by e-mail that i was going to do this. i stole and used one of the cover graphics of nathan's book to sort of highlight how this happened. but an argument in this book is that things change in the 1980s in a way that made the storylines and the iconogra
you had "rambo" in afghanistan, you have a war in the afghanistan and a lot of the way we describe it is about the rambos in afghanistan. obviously, gordon gekko becomes bernie madoff and all the ripoff artist on wall street. the evil guy from "tron," i'm only have joke here, kind of is mark zuckerberg. [laughter] the a-team, the idea of the private contractor you have to hire to fix your problems for you is kind of, in some ways, blackwater or at least our reliance on...
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predator drone carrying a hell fire missile we haven't used yet, so they built a mockup of bin laden's afghanistan farm, and that's where they practiced how to possibly assassinate him without collateral damage. this is before 9/11, but at the end of the experiment, the state department got involved, and there was lots of legalities about assassinating someone, so they decided not to do it. >> how could area 51 secrets be kept from american presidents? >> that's a very tricky and uncomfortable question certainly for this journalist, but in the very beginning of the book i explain to you that something that i found really pretty shocking when i learned it in researching this book that the atomic energy commission actually has a system of secret keeping that runs parallel to the president's system of secret keeping which is the national security system. that is not the way the constitution was written, but it is what the atomic energy act of 1946 allowed, so when the charter was written right after world war ii for the atomic energy commission, they created the system of secret keeping which the sla
predator drone carrying a hell fire missile we haven't used yet, so they built a mockup of bin laden's afghanistan farm, and that's where they practiced how to possibly assassinate him without collateral damage. this is before 9/11, but at the end of the experiment, the state department got involved, and there was lots of legalities about assassinating someone, so they decided not to do it. >> how could area 51 secrets be kept from american presidents? >> that's a very tricky and...
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through which the g hotties are organized and sent off to fight either in the northwest territories or in afghanistan. and there's the mother apology hattie. he wrote the first book on global jihad. what the names of global jihad ways. and now it's also kind of interesting to me because there have been many, many books about 10 minutes writing writings and biographies and everything. but none of them mentioned margaret marcus amerian jameel. none of them talk about him as a father or it has been for a brother or son. marion's letters were all about his household and the way it was run. there seemed to be of benefit instead of looking at this man is this powerful political leader, which is how the academic scholars have written about him was to look at the politics of his household, which were much more complicated and unexpected than you would as soon, given his writings. i mean, miriam would be upset because his wife didn't always coming in now, wasn't always an instant purdah. she would say, why didn't you wear your veil to meet her brother and not quite she said, doesn't your husband get upset at
through which the g hotties are organized and sent off to fight either in the northwest territories or in afghanistan. and there's the mother apology hattie. he wrote the first book on global jihad. what the names of global jihad ways. and now it's also kind of interesting to me because there have been many, many books about 10 minutes writing writings and biographies and everything. but none of them mentioned margaret marcus amerian jameel. none of them talk about him as a father or it has...
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interest in afghanistan. it does not want to have a hostile afghanistan at its back. and, therefore, whether it wants to or not have to take responsibility for afghanistan. the american goal is that al qaeda should not be in afghanistan, but al qaeda is in yemen, somalia and cleveland trend what the point is if you look at south asia, do you disagree with those who consider pakistan and the pakistan-afghan to really be the most dangerously unstable part of the world? >> guest: i would not quote them as dangerous and stable part of the world. i think iran is potentially more, but it's not worth having -- it is certainly, the question had to get back into shape? de- stabilizing pakistan to the point that it collapses i don't think would create the security, making it the responsibly of pakistan, you know, make it what it is the it is a more interesting outcome. but the problem is that we have to ask more fundamental question. why are we in afghanistan, what was the strategy that president obama had in mind? president bush's strategy was a more modest one upholding key a
interest in afghanistan. it does not want to have a hostile afghanistan at its back. and, therefore, whether it wants to or not have to take responsibility for afghanistan. the american goal is that al qaeda should not be in afghanistan, but al qaeda is in yemen, somalia and cleveland trend what the point is if you look at south asia, do you disagree with those who consider pakistan and the pakistan-afghan to really be the most dangerously unstable part of the world? >> guest: i would not...